I've had ME/CFS for 12 years, starting while I was in high school. At the beginning 2009, I embarked upon a new treatment approach using antiviral herbs and supplements. The October 2009 news of a possible link between the retrovirus XMRV and CFS has reinvigorated my search for effective antiviral and immunomodulating compounds. This blog is designed to document my treatment experiences and research I come across. It is not to be construed as medical advice.
Saturday, November 14, 2009
Immunovir versus Inosine Revisited, Part 1
Part 2 of this series is here.
Immunovir background
There is a drug that I have written about here on my blog before called Immunovir. It is approved in Europe to treat a large array of acute and chronic viral infections (and as an aside, it also has a large array of different names: Immunovir, Imunovir, Isoprinosine, Inosine Pranobex, and Inosiplex--so five total, and hopefully there aren't more that I haven't discovered yet).
Several anecdotal stories have been posted online by people who claim they significantly improved from ME/CFS/CFIDS (our disease also has a large array of different names) by taking this drug. The testimonials are consistently more positive than most dietary supplements and herbs ME/CFS patients try. Since it is an approved drug in many countries, it has had a good amount of quality research and clinical trials published in medical journals. In the early 1990s, it was found to be useful for HIV/AIDS (and considering HIV is a retrovirus, if ME/CFS really is also caused by the new XMRV retrovirus, then that's further reason to believe Immunovir would be useful in CFS). The drug's antiviral effects supposedly come mainly through modulation of the immune system, hence the name Immunovir, although I don't think the precise mechanism is perfectly understood.
Unfortunately, this drug is not available in the United States. Some US citizens are able to get it overseas with a prescription, but this method seems to be very costly. A member of the Phoenix Rising ME/CFS Forum posted that the cost was over $280 for a box of 100 500mg tablets. At 6 per day it adds up quickly. Even if you use an on/off pulsing dose schedule, you would still go through almost an entire box per month.
My inosine substitution experiment
Back in June I mentioned that a few CFS doctors are specifying that plain inosine, which is available cheaply as an over-the-counter supplement, can be used in place of Immunovir. I wasn't sure if this was really true, and no scientific rationale was given, but I figured since Immunovir is so difficult to get for US citizens and inosine so easy, I decided to go ahead and take their word for it and give it a try.
I followed a dosing schedule Dr. Cheney posted for the real Immunovir a few years ago: on 2 months, off a month, on 2 months, etc. while varying the dose each week and skippping weekends. I've now completed two full "rounds" (round meaning the two months on, one month off period) of this protocol, substituting inosine for Immunovir in a 1 to 1 ratio. I really did not feel any improvement, and I have to say that I had some troubling side effects. First, during the earlier part of each round and especially during the higher dose weeks, I had pain in my arms and legs. In addition I actually had two bizarre injuries. Early on in the first round I had a vertebrae or a disc in my lower back become slightly dislocated. It hurt for awhile and I even had a bruise around it. Again during the first few days of the second round, I believe I sprained a ligament in the left side of my neck. I couldn't turn my head for weeks. Months later these injuries are still not 100 percent better. I may have to go to a chiropractor.
These adverse events might be explained by a hypothesis that chronic viral infections tend to congregate in the neck and spine, but on the other hand, this reaction was not very similar at all to the reaction I got from olive leaf extract and monolaurin (which was nearly identical to CFS patient reactions to Valcyte and similar drugs). So the problems I had might have been true side effects and not just some kind of viral die-off or immune reaction.
Looking for answers
Due to these experiences, I had already been reevaulating the whole inosine vs. Immunovir thing. Then in the aforementioned thread at the Phoenix Rising forums, a bunch of people jumped in to cite how DeMeirleir, Cheney, and even my previous blog post discussed using inosine in place of Immunovir. Between not understanding the justification for the substitution and not wanting questionable information being spread, especially when I participated in the spreading, I was prompted to really dig and see if I could find information that would either support or refute this use of inosine. Then someone wrote that they had tried both and thought plain inosine was much less effective, and this comment inspired to investigate even more.
I spent hours and hours and days and days, Googling, searching Pubmed, reading Wikipedia articles, and then I hit the biggest find of all when I discovered the 1974 patent called INOSINE DERIVATIVES, outlining an invention designed to increase memory and learning and treat viral infections. Yet, since I didn't have the education necessary, it took me many more hours and days to understand and interpret in a useful way the the information I had gathered.
Anyway, I believe I have uncovered some very useful information which will soon be posted in the next installment of this topic, Immunovir versus Inosine Revisited, Part 2. Among other things, I will discuss the differences between the two substances and describe how a much better substitute for the real Immunovir can be created from off the shelf ingredients.
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This medication can be brought into the US by a doctor for his patients. I have tried the drug and could never get beyond 1/8 of a tablet without severe paralysis feelings of the diaphragm. That is how immune boosters always work in my case anyway be they homeopathic, herbal or otherwise. Wish you could have my Imunovir. At least I tried it. It took me weeks to recover just to sleep as well.
ReplyDeleteFor those contemplating Imunovir: I am tired of my searches on the Internet revealing that Imunovir is "completely safe and has no side effects." For many people with ME/CFS, who are very sensitive to drugs anyway, this is not at all the case. I have been on Imunovir for about a month and a half now, taking 3 pills a day for 5 days, then the weekend off, then 6 pills a day, weekend off, repeat cycle (as prescribed to me by my doctor). I am experiencing - especially in the doubled weeks - severe nausea and headaches worse somehow than migraines, seemingly more fatigue, and now tremors in my fingers and some muscle twitching.
ReplyDeleteThis is not to say that it's not working, or to encourage people not to take it - in fact, on the lighter weeks, I think I'm starting to get more done and be able to think a bit better than before Imunovir. I'm still committed to taking it for the 3-4 months the doctor said would be needed before I should see measurable results. Still, it worries me that I've been so sick (especially since they told me it'd feel like the flu when I doubled the dose, but no one mentioned muscle or ligament twitching), and I worry about long-term effects since I don't know that any long-term studies have been done (I think Imunovir is relatively new). So not sure if it's good or not yet, but I wanted it be available somewhere on the Internet for those researching side effects (like I once did, fruitlessly) that for those people sensitive to medications, there might be pretty severe side effects for a while until your system either adjusts or you start to get better. I really hope all of this turns out to be worth it (I'm tired of headaches that make me vomit), but I'll do anything to get my health and my life back again...
excuse me for butting in but why do you all think you have immune problems? I have had cfs for 18 years(classic sudden onset) but I don't catch anything. so, why are you all going on about this inosine and imunovir thing to mmodulate you immune system when it doesn't need modulating. I thought blood tests for cfs are normal and a standard bllod work up includes the white cells and nk cells I think, so it should be flagged up by the lab I would imagine if they were abnormal.
ReplyDeleteHi, Anonymous, what happened? how are u now after the immunovir? Marina
ReplyDeleteMartin speaks only for himself when he says blood tests for white blood cells and nk cells are normal for cfs. That is certainly not true for me. I have used isoprinosine successfully for just one aspect of my cfs but am no longer seeing the doctor I was able to buy it from. I am trying to sort out the inosine vs isoprinosine to determine how much I have to pay.
ReplyDeleteI just received my Immunovir from Canada (Rivex Pharma, Aurora, Ontario) in the mail today. The cost was $100 for 100 tablets of 500 mg each. This was prescribed by the wonderful Dr. Vosloo at the Fibro and Fatigue Center in Portland Oregon.
ReplyDeleteMartin, has your immune system been tested by an expert? My IgG levels are over-activated and my killer T cells are far below what is considered normal. Regular blood work isn't going to show this. It has to be tested for specifically.
ReplyDeleteI posted on part one of this thread that I've become dizzy, weak, etc since day one of trying Inosine, per Dr Rey to see how I could handle it. Since 1 pill on day one, her recommendation, wasn't enough for the kill off, that couldn't be why . I pushed on and tried a half pill per day for a week and am limp, my tinnitus is screaming, my mood is down, and I feel like crapola. The dose again isn't high enough for kill off so I have to assume I can't tolerate this.